He took a sip of tea and then said, "Whatever you have to say, you can say it now."
Xu Guangqi said: "Your Majesty, missionaries cannot be expelled.
The technological progress of Westerners is changing with each passing day, and the presence of missionaries can allow us to understand the scientific and cultural level of the West in a timely manner.
And in the opinion of the veteran, there are many merits in Catholic teachings. .
If they are allowed to preach, it will be beneficial to our Ming Dynasty and not harmful to our people."
Zhu Yanxi quit: "Your Majesty, I think that Catholic priests do not allow us to worship our ancestors and Saint Confucius, and that they have deceitful words to confuse the public.
I think that they should be strictly prohibited from preaching to avoid disturbing people's minds."
Xu Guangqi said: "Your Majesty, Catholics are not allowed to worship Saint Confucius and his ancestors.
This matter still has room for discussion.
As for the matter of misleading people with lies, I don't know about it."
Zhu Yanxi said: "What they call God is the great master who gave birth to the earth, gods, and human beings.
Let's ask that great master.
If there is form and substance, there is no substance.
If there is substance, how can it be born again and there is no heaven and earth?
How does it live?
If there is no substance, then my Confucianism calls it Tai Chi.
There is no end in Tai Chi.
How can there be love and dislike?
Why should people serve and obey orders?
How can it be the end of blessing and punishing those who are incompetent?"
Xu Guangqi said: "God is both tangible and intangible, but is transformed by the way of heaven.
It is not the same concept as what we call Tai Chi, so it cannot be understood from our point of view.
Just like a fish cannot understand why a tiger is so powerful, neither can a tiger It’s like understanding how powerful the big fish in the sea is.”
Zhu Yanxi wanted to refute again, but Zhu Youxiao said: "Just a moment, Zhu Shangshu's words are reasonable, and what Xu Ge Lao said is equally reasonable.
Why don't you say anything because you can't do anything to people, how can you do anything to ghosts?
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Confucianism does not study unknowable issues; It is a great gift of human relations in the world, so Confucianism does not conflict with religion.
Just like the Master, he also attaches great importance to the matter of worship.
He once said that offering sacrifices is as if the gods are there, so Zhu Shangshu need not worry.
Catholicism poses a threat to Confucianism.”
"As for the teachings of the Catholic Church, I have had a rough look at them, but they are nothing more than ways to lead people to good deeds.
Among the Ten Commandments, honor your parents; do not kill; do not engage in sexual immorality; do not steal; do not bear false witness; do not love other people's wives and property; these They are all very good.
If everyone in my Ming Dynasty can do this, then the three generations will be able to do this.
The governance is just around the corner.
Of course, some Catholicism is inconsistent with our Ming Dynasty customs, so some people will have opinions.
This is normal, but the teachings can be modified when they are introduced to China, but they are already very different from the original.
The Catholic Church only has a Holy See, and they don’t agree to the changes.”
"How to solve this problem is very simple.
Establish a separate Holy See.
Of course, this is a measure that must be taken as a last resort.
Western Catholicism is not just one Holy See or one doctrine.
They also have internal differences and form multiple sects.
So. , If the current Holy See is unwilling to modify doctrines in China, then I don’t mind cooperating with other sects, or even establishing another sect that suits our China.”
Zhu Yanxi asked: "Your Majesty, since you are planning to establish another sect, why don't you directly modify our Taoism or Buddhism?
Wouldn't it be simpler?"
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Zhu Youxiao shook his head.
Western civilization developed on the basis of monotheistic Christianity.
It can even be said that without Christianity, there would be no modern Western civilization.
Since facts have proven that Western civilization has advantages in many aspects, he certainly hopes to use Christianity to educate China and make Chinese civilization grow into a world civilization that is not to say stronger than, but at least not weaker than, Western civilization.
Other polytheistic religions obviously cannot achieve this effect.
But these were obviously not clear to the ministers, so he had to say: "As Mr.
Xu Ge said, we now need Western science and technology, and Catholicism is the only way for us to obtain these.
Everyone has seen Western firearms For the superiority of broadswords and spears.”
"Moreover, people in our country think that they live in the world and regard all other nations as barbarians and irrational animals.
I heard that decades ago, when Westerners landed in Guangzhou , scared away many citizens, and even the government officials did not dare to look at them.
In our opinion, there are no other kings and kings in the world.
Dynasties or cultures are worth boasting about.
This kind of ignorance makes us very proud, but if it remains like this, then once the truth is revealed, we will feel more inferior.
So another role of Catholicism is to let us know that China is not the only one in the world.
A civilized country, there are other countries, their civilization also has merits. " "Ignorance is the source of fear.
If we can face them and understand them, then even if we conflict with them one day, we can deal with it calmly.
So I want to let Catholic priests preach, but it must be modified doctrine.
Especially if we can't stop our ancestor worship and Confucius worship, this matter is very troublesome.
The so-called threat to expel them is just a way to force them to accept our conditions."
Zhu Yanxi said: "Your Majesty, Xu Ge is always religious, so I'm afraid he won't be able to shoulder this important task."
Zhu Youxiao smiled and said: "Mr.
Xu Ge, do you ever worship your ancestors every year during the Chinese New Year?"
Xu Guangqi said: "I dare not forget the matter of offering sacrifices to our ancestors."
Zhu Youxiao said: "Now Zhu Shangshu can rest assured."
Ye Xianggao said: "Your Majesty, Catholic teachings say that the Jews are the chosen people.
This statement makes us Chinese very uncomfortable.
If it is changed to say that the Chinese are the chosen people, that would be a very good idea.
Religious."
Xu Guangqi explained: "The Jews were called Shuhuhuihui during the Mongolian Yuan Dynasty.
They belonged to the second class of Semu people.
They are now spurned by the Catholic Church and have no appearance of being the chosen people at all.
So this chosen people actually has nothing Used.”
Zhu Youxiao didn't think so.
He said: "In fact, the reason why the Jews are despised is mainly because they no longer have their own country.
But if we Han people are called the chosen people, it will greatly strengthen our nation."
Self-esteem and pride.
I think Ye Cifu’s proposal is a good one.
Mr.
Xu Ge, please give it a try.
It will be a success.”
Ye Xianggao said: "Yes, yes, it doesn't matter if it doesn't work, it will be great if it does."
Zhu Youxiao said: "The role of religion is very important, and we must not underestimate it.
Last time when the White Lotus Sect came together, I immediately ordered to suppress it with all our strength.
This matter will depend on Mr.
Xu Ge and them to slowly grind it out
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