"The general knows that the young emperor was deposed two years ago," Li Ru said, and he actually went back to two years ago.
And Ma Chao was a little confused.
Don't say that Ma Chao knew about Dong Zhuo's coming to Beijing to depose the young emperor.
Even in the next two thousand years, everyone knew: Why did Li Ru talk about this for no reason?
At that time, Dong Zhuo and the scholars, A wonderful period has begun Thinking of this, Ma Chao suddenly smiled bitterly: This is impossible.
It has been recorded in history that Dong Zhuo's move to abolish the young emperor made hundreds of officials angry.
It even led to the first episode of Zhijinwu Dingyuan raising troops to oppose Dong Zhuo and Lu Bu's murder of their father.
Yes, Li Ru nodded silently at this time.
This silent move couldn't help but make Ma Chao become serious: It can be seen that Li Ru is not just talking nonsense.
After taking a slow sip of tea to slow down the shock in his heart, Ma Chao asked: "The world said that back then, Dong Zhuo acted arbitrarily and had the intention of tampering, which is why he deposed him.
However, Chao Fufeng I have also analyzed Dong Zhuo’s deposing and establishing the Young Emperor, but It seems that Dong Zhuo was more alert when he first entered Luoyang.
Later, he felt that the power was not something he could handle at all, so he imitated Yiyin's ancient system and followed suit.
There are also figures of scholars in this." , Dong Zhuo's move has long been explained clearly.
Ma Chao really couldn't imagine how those loyal scholars could participate in it.
After listening to Ma Chao's words, Li Ru seemed a little surprised and couldn't help but ask Ma Chao: "May I ask my lord why you said that Dong Zhuo abolished the young emperor and established the young emperor because he was imitating the ancient system and imitating others?"
Now that it comes to this, Ma Chao also feels that he really should have a good chat with this old viper.
After sorting out the analysis of later generations and sorting out his thoughts, he said: "If Dong Zhuo had not deposed the young emperor at that time, then according to the practice of the Han Dynasty, the queen mother would be the regent when the emperor was young, and the power to issue edicts would be in the hands of the queen mother He. .
Dong Zhuo couldn't interfere.
Although the brothers He Jin and He Miao were dead, their party members were still very powerful at that time.
These would become a major obstacle to Dong Zhuo's monopoly.
If the Young Emperor and the Queen Mother were abolished, they would be easily disintegrated.
This is the only way to eliminate He's power."
Li Ru nodded silently.
It seemed that this later analysis was indeed consistent with the situation at that time.
"Secondly, Dong Zhuo wanted to find a basis for his dictatorial power as a warrior to be accepted.
The stories of the Han family are either that the emperor was in charge personally, or that ministers who followed orders assisted the government, or that his relatives were in power.
Dong Zhuo was neither of these three.
What the doctor said Yes, fundamentally speaking, he is just like a local warrior.
Now he wants to arbitrate the government and the people in the world are not convinced."
This question suddenly made Ma Chao feel a little funny.
He pursed his lips and continued: "Dong Zhuo's method was to start from the Empress Dowager Dong.
After Emperor Xian's mother was killed by Empress Dowager He, Emperor Xian was raised by Empress Dowager Dong, the mother of Emperor Ling. .
Dong Zhuo and Empress Dowager Dong have a kinship.
If they were to be emperor, then Dong Zhuo would be a relative."
These words are actually very disrespectful to the royal family.
But Li Ru didn't even frown.
From this, it can be seen that Li Ru and Ma Chao are from the same group, and they are both people who regard the great man as nothing.
It can even be inferred that they are people who fundamentally despise the imperial power.
Of course, Ma Chao's contempt is because he knows a more advanced system.
As for Li Ru's contempt, their pride can be determined by historical limitations and character-driven thoughts.
"Dong Zhuo was a relative, so it was justifiable for him to take power.
What was even more advantageous was that after the death of Emperor Ling, the He family and the Dong family fought for power.
He Jin, with the help of eunuchs, eliminated the Dong family's power and killed the Queen Mother Dong.
In this way, Dong Zhuo will be in power without the constraints of Empress Dowager Dong.
Such good things are just like God's deliberate arrangements.
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How could Dong Zhuo miss it?"
After saying this, Li Ru bowed deeply to Ma Chao: "My lord is so wise that he can see through the appearance and the essence.
It really opened Ru's eyes."
"Praise, praise, super is just hindsight, it's just extrapolation, that's all I think it should be.
I don't know what the doctor thinks."
After receiving Li Ru's praise, Ma Chao couldn't help but feel a little elated, and almost said the words Zhuge Liang.
However, it can also be seen from this that the speculations of later generations about Dong Zhuo deposing and establishing the Young Emperor are at least very correct.
"The general didn't know something.
When the Confucian scholar admonished Dong Zhuo to do this, he didn't think so much about it.
It was just to protect himself."
Ma Chao was stunned and felt that he had overlooked something: No, the one who advised Dong Zhuo to do this was the Li Ru in front of him.
Could it be that Dong Zhuo did not abolish the young emperor for the sake of arbitrary power?
"My Lord, I don't know.
At that time, Dong Zhuo had only a small army and few generals, so it was difficult for him to establish his authority.
There were even more scholars, hundreds of officials, and princes looking at him with eager eyes.
If he had not taken this poisonous strategy, he would have been dead for a long time."
Li Ru said these words leisurely , making Ma Chao a little unbelievable.
In Ma Chao's impression, Dong Zhuo had always controlled the power of the Han Dynasty.
In the end, he made people angry and angry, and the Chang'an scholars used the most despicable assassination method to kill Dong Zhuo.
Some people in later generations even used this incident to say that Dong Zhuo was actually a very cunning fat man.
Through this move, Dong Zhuo could preemptively see what the officials in the court meant.
Like a flying stone hitting water, whoever believes in oneself and whoever doesn't will be able to figure it out in one try.
Then continue to launch the next round of political struggle in a targeted manner Could it be that the fog of history is really too thick, and all those Machiavellian inferences in the world are simply untenable?
Dong Zhuo was really just forced to depose the young emperor in order to save his life.
"It is unacceptable that Dong Zhuo abolished and established the Young Emperor.
It was also a major event that caused a sensation in the country at the beginning.
As everyone knows, this matter provoked a strong backlash from the sergeants of the DPRK, and there were even many people who showed their ambitions with their blood."
Ma Chao said this deliberately, because he I know that the only one who can give the most accurate answer is Li Ru in front of me.
After all, deposing an emperor is something that all dynasties have been cautious about.
At that time, Dong Zhuo was just a governor of the border region.
For now, he is probably a provincial governor or secretary of the provincial party committee.
In terms of official status, there were many people in Luoyang who were senior to Dong Zhuo at that time.
Dong Zhuo's reputation was not upright.
Although he could act shamelessly by relying on his own military strength, he suddenly made earth-shattering decisions and dared to carry out major deeds.
How could he not provoke the civil and military hostility of the entire court?
"My lord is too naive."
Li Ru actually smiled, with a hint of compassion flashing through his smile: "And this is what Ru wanted to tell my lord.
The scholars he heard were not only able to read books from sages and cultivate their moral character." , when they play power, they are more sinister than eunuchs, and more ruthless than us warriors.
"When Dong Zhuo deposed the young emperor, only one of the scholar-bureaucrats in the Manchu Dynasty, Lu Zhi, the minister who was deeply poisoned by the idea of loyalty to the emperor, opposed it.
The others did not say anything.
What's more, Dong Zhuo notified the decision to depose the young emperor to the then auxiliary minister Taifu Yuan After Wei, Yuan Wei actually reported his consent."
"How could it be possible?"
This news was a bit earth-shattering.
Even though Ma Chao was mentally prepared, he still couldn't accept it: "No, there is still the matter of Ding Yuan's rebellion against Dong Zhuo."
"Yes, Ding Yuan did object at that time.
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But how can Ding Yuan, a common man, be regarded as a nobleman?"
Li Ru sneered, showing great disdain for what Ding Yuan, a common man, did.
Ma Chao was really confused at this time, because of the historical impression he knew.
Ding Yuan was a loyal minister with a strong personality.
He hated Dong Zhuo, a rebellious minister, so he surrounded Luoyang in response to Dong Zhuo.
From Li Ru's tone, it seemed that this was not the case at all.
"What the doctor said makes sense.
However, even though Ding Yuan was just a military man, this shows that the civil and military officials of the entire dynasty were very dissatisfied with the abolition of the Grand Master."
"My lord has misunderstood.
The meaning of Confucianism is that only the scholar Lu Zhi was opposed at that time.
As for Huangfu Song, Zhu Jun and other warriors who were deeply loyal to the emperor, they were also opposed.
However, these people did not control the core politics of the Han Dynasty.
Scholar, my lord once understood."
After Li Ru explained this, he still said unwillingly: "As for the clown Ding Yuan, he is just a traitor who wants to fish in troubled waters and gain some fame." this this This fact immediately shocked Ma Chao.
In an instant, his inherent understanding was overturned: among the scholar-bureaucrats who supported the power system of the Han Dynasty, only one Lu Zhi, who upheld the right of justice, opposed it, while all the other officials remained silent.
If so, wouldn't it be inferred that the scholar-officials also I don’t agree with the imperial power of the Eastern Han Dynasty at all If the Liu family is in this position, it will be over sooner or later.
And Ding Yuan An idea suddenly flashed in Ma Chao's mind: At that time, Dong Zhuo mentioned the matter of deposing the emperor, and Ding Yuan acted so righteously, so Ding Yuan raised troops to surround Luoyang, which naturally made future generations think that Ding Yuan wanted a righteous king to eliminate traitors.
However, in fact, this should be a very clever preconceived illusion.
The matter of Dong Zhuo deposing the emperor was only talked about verbally at that time, and not many people knew about it.
It can even be said that Dong Zhuo was secretly showing a tacit understanding that could not be expressed in words with those scholars, but had not yet put it into action.
At this time, Ding Yuan led troops and horses to surround Luoyang, the capital.
At that time, in the eyes of ancients such as Li Ru, no matter how you say it, it was definitely Ding Yuan's blatant rebellion and Dong Zhuo led the troops to fight Ding Yuan. , but represents the loyal side.
It can be further deduced from this that when Lu Bu rebelled against Dong Zhuo, it seems that he was not killing his father to seek glory as later generations said, but he was really acting under the imperial edict and being loyal to the Han Dynasty.
Ma Chao frowned.
After entering Chang'an, he felt for the first time: There are too many shady stories in this history.
Everything left to future generations seems not to be what it was like at that time: