Liu Qingyu let out a long breath after hearing this.
To be honest, Liu Qingyu felt a little guilty when he patted his chest and told Su Guorui and Shao Jianhua that he would bear all the consequences.
After all, if Xue Bingnan's guess was wrong, or even if Ma Zhengxing's file was not modified, Age, then the consequences are very serious, and Liu Qingyu has to bear heavy responsibility.
But Liu Qingyu has one of the biggest advantages, that is, he does not trust people he employs and does not trust people he doubts.
Since he sent Xue Bingnan to do this, the only thing he can do in this situation is to trust Xue Bingnan.
Although there is a huge risk in doing so, you want your subordinates to grow up as quickly as possible.
This kind of risk is something that a leader must bear.
If you are promoted to a leader and do not take risks for your subordinates, then your subordinates will be timid when doing things. , it is difficult to accomplish anything.
Fortunately, this time, Liu Qingyu won the bet.
Xue Bingnan lived up to Liu Qingyu's trust.
After Xue Bingnan and the others came back, Liu Qingyu first organized a dozen meticulous and conscientious staff members from the Provincial Commission for Discipline Inspection to take the shredded materials and reassemble them, making sure to restore the burned archive materials to their original appearance as soon as possible.
Later, Liu Qingyu ordered Xue Bingnan to interrogate Ma Zhengxing and Pan Xiren.
However, what Liu Qingyu didn't expect was that although Xue Bingnan showed a very good side during the investigation, during the interrogation, he had no temper at all when facing the two old fritters Ma Zhengxing and Pan Xiren.
No matter what Pan Xiren said, the two of them refused to speak.
Even if they did speak, they were teasing Xue Bingnan, which made Xue Bingnan very depressed.
After more than four hours of interrogation, both parties were tired, and it was time to eat.
Liu Qingyu called Xue Bingnan, Cheng Jiyu, Tao Yaming, and Bi Jianqiu into his office.
Liu Qingyu looked at Xue Bingnan and the others with a smile and said, "Do you know why you have been unable to get them to speak during interrogation?"
Xue Bingnan said with a wry smile: "First, it's because we are young and lack experience, and second, these people don't take us seriously at all."
Liu Qingyu nodded slightly: "Yes, the two points you mentioned are indeed some of the reasons.
In fact, there is another very important factor that you have ignored."
Xue Bingnan was stunned and quickly asked for advice very humbly.
Liu Qingyu said: "As a staff member of the Provincial Commission for Discipline Inspection, if you want to win in the interrogation contest with criminal suspects, it is not enough to have professionalism.
Even if you have rich work experience, are older, and have senior qualifications, in the When you encounter some special criminal suspects, you may not be able to break through their psychological defenses.”
Speaking of this, Liu Qingyu noticed that the four people were listening carefully.
"If you young people want to grow and progress, you must first optimize your knowledge structure.
And a good knowledge structure is the basis for successful interrogation.
Because with the development and progress of the times, people like Ma Zhengxing and Pan Xiren who are suspected of job-related crimes and corruption officials, their criminal methods are also Keeping pace with the times, and even using high technology to carry out intelligent crimes, these methods often make us, the investigators of the Commission for Discipline Inspection, tired of dealing with them.
Therefore, this requires us, the investigators of the Commission for Discipline Inspection, to have a multi-faceted knowledge base in order to deal with these corrupt elements.
Only when we are in close combat can we have a clear target.”
"Secretary Liu, what knowledge reserves should we all have?"
Xue Bingnan asked.
"At least nine aspects of knowledge should be possessed, including philosophical knowledge, law and legal knowledge, sociological knowledge, financial knowledge, psychological knowledge, logic knowledge, investigative knowledge, pre-trial knowledge, and evidence knowledge."
When Liu Qingyu finished speaking, Xue Bingnan, Cheng Jiyu and others all smiled bitterly and scratched their heads.
At this moment, they all felt that they seemed to have many shortcomings.
Liu Qingyu continued: "If you want to be an excellent Discipline Inspection Commission staff member, you should be both an investigative expert and a social generalist, and you should be involved in all aspects of knowledge.
Because we usually come into contact with When various types of corrupt elements engage in corrupt behaviors, their corrupt behaviors often occur in multiple professional fields. , this is not based on the will of our Discipline Inspection Commission staff.
For example, if we investigate cases in the financial system, we should understand the working procedures and related businesses of the financial system.
If we investigate cases in the construction field, we should be familiar with engineering construction.
All aspects of the process, including bidding methods, material procurement, project management, etc.
Only when you have this comprehensive knowledge can you have no obstacles in communicating with corrupt elements, and will you not be confused by their random nouns and terms, and can you see through the tricks in their behavior at a glance.
Later, Liu Qingyu used a case he encountered while working in the Anti-Corruption Bureau as an example to explain to them how various kinds of knowledge are comprehensively used. " After listening, the four people all nodded vigorously.
Today was an eye-opener for them.
At the same time, they also truly realized how much effort it takes to become a successful and capable Discipline Inspection Commission staff member.
At this time, Cheng Jiyu suddenly said: "Secretary Liu, can you take us to complete the interrogation of Ma Zhengxing and Pan Xiren?
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We can learn while practicing."
Liu Qingyu said with a smile: "This is possible.
Your suggestion is very good.
The purpose of calling you here today is to take you to do the operation together.
Let's go to the interrogation room."
With that said, Liu Qingyu looked at Lu Jianyu and said, "Jianyu, please notify the technical department and ask them to take the polygraph to the interrogation room."
"Polygraph" When Liu Qingyu wanted to use the polygraph, Xue Bingnan and the other four people's eyes widened.
They rarely used this thing.
Liu Qingyu said with a smile: "Using a lie detector is the investigative knowledge I just told you.
At the same time, it is also a psychological deterrent to criminal suspects.
Didn't you already try it just now?
No matter what you said, they all denied that they had ever made any mistakes, and even ignored your questions with a very cruel attitude.
This is a very normal phenomenon.
Therefore, at this time, you must comprehensively use the knowledge you have to judge that in this situation, what you have to do is to find ways to overcome the other party's psychological defenses and let them know that their resistance and lying are in vain.
Yes, we have enough ways to tell whether they are lying. " While talking, Liu Qingyu led the four people into the interrogation room.
At this moment, Lu Jianyu had arranged for someone to bring the polygraph.
At this moment, Ma Zhengxing was the only one sitting at the interrogation table in the interrogation room.
When he saw so many people and some instruments coming in, there was a clear hint of uneasiness in his eyes.
Liu Qingyu sat across from Ma Zhengxing with a smile on his face and said with a smile: "Ma Zhengxing, please introduce yourself.
I am Liu Qingyu, Secretary of the Provincial Commission for Discipline Inspection.
I think you are very lucky to have me, a member of the Standing Committee of the Provincial Party Committee and the Provincial Commission for Discipline Inspection."
The secretary personally came out to talk to you.
I heard just now that Xue Bingnan When they talked to you, your attitude was very firm.
You said that you were not involved in the Yuanshan Tunnel Collapse Case and Wang Dalong's Disappearance Case.
So let me ask you one last question, whether you were involved or not.
If you tell the truth, there is still a chance for leniency.”
Ma Zhengxing suddenly started sweating on his forehead.
Although he was the director of the Infrastructure Department in the Provincial Department of Transportation, the people he usually dealt with the most were the deputy directors and directors.
Even those leaders, in his opinion, needed to be looked up to.
The kind of official authority they brought out was something he didn't dare to touch easily.
Now, sitting in front of him was the dignified member of the Standing Committee of the Jiangnan Provincial Committee and the Secretary of the Provincial Discipline Inspection Commission.
He actually wanted to interrogate himself in person, which brought him a lot of psychological pressure.
After Liu Qingyu finished speaking, Ma Zhengxing was very nervous, but his words were very tough: "Secretary Liu, I know about these two cases, but I am definitely not involved in these two cases.
Of course, the relevant I am carrying out my work normally, but it is not necessarily related to the occurrence of the case.”
Liu Qingyu still had a smile on his face and said: "Okay, since you are so determined and persistent, we cannot judge that you are lying at will.
So now, we can use a lie detector to test it.
Next, Let’s first introduce to you the usage principle, efficacy and accuracy of the polygraph.”
As he spoke, Liu Qingyu clapped his hands, and Lu Jianyu immediately stood up and explained to Ma Zhengxing in great detail.
At this moment, Xue Bingnan was shocked when he heard Lu Jianyu's explanation.
He knew that Lu Jianyu was Liu Qingyu's secretary, and he usually mainly focused on various work matters.
However, he did not expect that Lu Jianyu didn't even have detailed knowledge of polygraphs.
Everyone knows that, although Lu Jianyu is Liu Qingyu's secretary, he is very familiar with various things within the Provincial Commission for Discipline Inspection, at least he should be studying seriously.
As a result, he felt that there seemed to be a strong pressure on himself.
It seemed that if he wanted to continue to weigh on Lu Jianyu like he did during the exam, he would have to put in more effort.
Otherwise, if you are not careful, you will be outclassed by Lu Jianyu.
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Later, Lu Jianyu personally took out a deck of playing cards, and asked the technicians and Ma Zhengxing to look at the numbers on the playing cards, and then used a lie detector test.
The test results made Ma Zhengxing feel a little weak in his legs.
Because through this preliminary test, he suddenly discovered that as long as the answer he said was inconsistent with the number he actually saw, there would be an obvious reaction on the lie detector.
After the test was completed, Liu Qingyu said with a smile: "Okay, Ma Zhengxing, now you should have a clear understanding of the polygraph-related matters.
Next, we can officially test it.
Oh, by the way, I forgot to tell you, in another room, Liu Qingche is leading another group of staff to test Pan Xiren.
If the answers between the two of you are inconsistent, it is easy to determine that one person is lying.
I hope you take care of yourself.”
After speaking, Liu Qingyu waved his hand, and the lie detector was immediately equipped on Ma Zhengxing.
At that moment, Ma Zhengxing's face turned pale
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